Will Resignation of Musharraf solves our problems?

16 03 2008

If Musharraf resignes today, what will happen?

People will be relieved and there will be white flags flying all around, no more terrorists and no more terrorism.. White doves flying and singing happy songs…? I pray?

But will this actually happen. People all around me, at-least most of them, think so. But I do not agree that only resignation of Musharraf will cool down those bloody people from killing more Pakistanis and foreigners.

On average more than one bomb blast every week since 2006 . Most of our so called matric fail journalists and third class TV channels ( who think high of themselves and compare themselves with cnn, bcc, sky and other news channels ) blame Musharraf for this and call it a “Reaction”, a reaction of Lal Masjid and whats happening in Waziristan and wana etc.

OK, I agree with you guys, correct, its reaction. My friends say that these people from Lal masjid and wana were being brutally butchered and their loved ones took law in their hands and now they are “Reacting”.

Wow, how easy that was to say. More than 100 suicide bomber have blown themselves up in only one year. God, is there a factory of some thing where these bloody people are manufactured? Where have they come from? And how many ?

You will agree with me that this all started after Lal masjid incident ?

Now will somebody tell me that how in a few days after Lal Masjid event the bomber were ready to be transported to the cities to kill people… ??? In a few days hundreds of suicide bomber were prepared?? If this was the reaction than this should happen after sometime because they would have needed some time to prepare and brainwash children and learn to make bombs.. but this all started as soon as Lal Masjid and other events occur.. I DO NOT Agree with you my friends….

These bloody people were there before Lal Masjid and Wana events and if Lal Masjid event did not happen they should have waited for something else to happen. But this was suppose to happen today or tomorrow because you can not challenge he writ of the government and you can not make private armies.

These so called Mullahs were brainwashing very young children since long, now they have found a reason and they are getting money from Indians and Americans and they are sending these young children to blow up themselves because they will get seventy virgins (what a cause… )

Why should our county give refuge to so many foreigner fighters? They must be sent back or killed. This is not a save haven for them.

Another thing, these political parties can’t even decide a unanimous PM, how will they handle it all and there common cause of unity is Musharraf.. what if he resigns !!!

Written By Ali Hammad Baig


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17 03 2008
Maryam

I think we need a brand new start.. Not Musharraf, Not Nawaz, Not any one else.. one leader who can start fron scrath in rebuilding the country…

17 03 2008
fahdi

Well ditto Maryam. I didn’t even casted my vote. I don’t wanna waste it. Right!

17 03 2008
Inam Gull

the dilema of Pakistani Nation is that we don’t have any alternative available and i don’t think we can find one in near future.So the only solution left is elect the less Evil.
and i strongly back Ali hammad on this resignation of mush won’t do any good but create further instability.

17 03 2008
Haseeb

I have read this article.You are a good layer to Musharraf.
But what you say about chief Justice Of Pakistan Mr.Iftikhar Ahmad ch.
Man he is chief Justice Of Pakistan and he along with his family are house arrest for the last few months due to one bloody Musharraf.
Ok !!! For a minute,If i agree with your point and said Musharraf is doing all well and he is much more better than a political leader than how you justify me that he come from a true door.His duty was just like a security guard whose primary responsibility was take care of house but now, he become a owner of a house.If security guard of some house is much more better than a house owner.Nobody allowed him to become a owner……….

Dear Ali,your are doing sin by saying “These so called Mullahs were brainwashing very young children since long, now they have found a reason and they are getting money from Indians and Americans and they are sending these young children to blow up themselves because they will get seventy virgins (what a cause…”

We,have made some mistakes from which they are taking benefits.Around in 2006 or 05,Americans bombarded missiles in bajour and our interior minister Mr.sherpoo that we(Pakistan) did this because some malicious activities are performing over there.You know, Annual convocation for hafiz-e-Quran is doing over there.These sort of hate and anti pakistan mentonality is born due to these events.
Man we are fighting American war so what called war against terror by killing our own people and one bloody Musharraf is helping them by increasing his own asset.You know,American can take well benefit from dictatorship than democracy and that is the reason more than 35 years solders ruled Pakistan but their main responsibility was served Pakistan.Their real place is on border not in capital.

And you said, ‘Another thing, these political parties can’t even decide a unanimous PM,’Dear, this is the pure democracy process that you can take care of all thoughts and respecting all of their point of views .Not,One person nominated shukat aziz as a prime minister and after few days he became PM of Pakistan and after completing his tenor,he is now no longer in Pakistan .
So if you need democracy in Pakistan than Musharaff must resign !!!!!!!!!!!!!

17 03 2008
Inam Gull

Haseeb can you please enlighten me what the term DEMOCRACY exactly mean?
Secondly let us assume that all this terrorism in because of bajour event or similar incidents like that.
Can you please tell me what is justification for killing innocent children?if they are fighting against America why are they killing innocent poor Pakis.Why dont they cross the border in Afghanistan and blow themselves there.Why this holdy land.
Everyone knows these blooody extremsits mullahs are behind them.They are getting support from Indians and Americans and using these brain washed people against Pakistan.
True democracy is something which can’t be implemented in Pakistan because of various reasons.

17 03 2008
Inam Gull

and one more thing these ignorant mullahs have done nothing good for this country or Islam.
When sir syed started educating Muslims these extremists called him an agent.
When Iqbal wrote Shikwa they issued fatwa against him.And they even didn’t spare Jinnah.
Now look at radio Mullah..what a pathetic and ignorant man is he.
These mUllahs are no good to this country they should be whipped off as soon as possible.
And to me Pakistan should be a secular state.

17 03 2008
Imran Khan

The dilemma is that people like you only think that MILITARY RULE is the solution to this problem.

The real cause of the problem is the dictatorship in the country, and the one man show. The only solution to this problem is the democracy.

Personalities are not important. I think we need to agree on the principle that only civilian and democratic rule should prevail in this country, and it will solve the problems of the nation.

Once thats decided people like MUSH have no role to play. If he is so desperate to help the country then he should wait for the 3 years , create his own political party, ideology spread it across the country and then be elected to head the government. Its no way to curb media, judiciary, civil society, constitution and uphold your own self against any institute.

17 03 2008
Murtaza

Hi Inam Gull!

you are doing well for your uncle …[modified]…, buddy president.
i am quite sour that you are also getting some funding and support form top management( may be Sheikh Rasheed ).

Because what you believe , is totally and absolutely wrong. You are not realistic . it might be that you are working/living in Islamabad .
you can’t feel the pain & grief of those who are pakistani ,but victoms of US in their own houses.

You should go to waziristan and meet the local people and ask them what is happening there from last couple of years.
Visit those parents who lost there children’s , visit those kids how lost there both parents and see the hundreds of people ,who are permanently disabled now.
what was their fault ?
for what they have been punished?

if than you still believe that these people should have no right of anger and revenge, …….[modified]…….

our Government is treating our own people just like israil treat plastine.

Mush has ….[modified]…..each and every thing , just to please US . so that he
get loan for country.

Why you still believe & support him after the result of elections.

personalities are not important.

18 03 2008
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@Imran Khan

Please answer the questions mentioned in the post, blaming Musharraf for Suicide attacks…

18 03 2008
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@Murtaza

Please be cool and calm and learn to respect others and their thoughts… If Mr.Inam is commenting in favor of Musharraf, you have got the same chance to express you views.

Our nations needs harmony and tolerance the most… What ever he says is his own opinion, you can agree or disagree with him in a well-mannered way.

What you are doing is same as all the people are already doing all over… It is hard to talk to someone else with different opinion and to convince him on your point which may be quite painful but that’s what we call courage and sensibility.

If you think you are right, argue with him, convince him on your point but with manners. But if you do what you are now doing, nobody is going to listen to whatever you say… Every thing will be forgettable.

I hope you will come with some solid, well judged opinion next time…

18 03 2008
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@Murtaza

one more thing…

” Why you still believe & support him after the result of elections.”

only inam is not the only on supporter, there are alot of people who support Mush if you call election as a referendum against him.

Please visit the following post.
https://alihammadbaig.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/an-inconvenient-truth/

18 03 2008
Inam Gull

Mr Murtaza ist of all please try to use the language which is atleast tolerable.if u still continued to use this sub-standard language i am sorry i wont reply you.And please use some other way to get rid of your frustrations.
About me getting paid by top mangement..i wish it could be the case [:P].But again your thinking is that of a typical Pakistani i.e the person who doesn’t agree with you is paid agent of ISI.
So what i am wrong.Democracy gives me right to speak and think whatever i feel is right.Before demanding democracy you have to understand what actualy democracy is.
And please come out of this pathetic,childish mentality that mush is doing everything to please america.Thats the most common and pathetic thinking of Pakistanis.Please come out of it as soon as possible.
About happenings in Wazirstan.I am not supporting it.
As per my understanding this article explains two things.
1. Current suicide bombings are not just revengue by wazirstanis.
2.Resignation of Mush won’t help.
Please ask baitullah mashud to stop his terrorists activities and surrender all forigners.

18 03 2008
wajahat

Look murtaza this is a stupid thing to say that some one having financial aid from upper managements…i also support mush…and let me tell u i dont get any thing for that…….at least from all of ur currupt leaders mush is the best…those who talk abt him being a dictator and an army personal….he is not an army personal any more………and u talk about the people and the childeren of wazeeristan…have u ever met a mother who’s son is in army fighting for his country in wazirstan or so……..have u ever thought about the orphans of so many poor police men who are being targetted by theese bloody sucide attackers…..have u ever thought about the orphan childs of kernal haroon ul islam…who was being targetted by these bloody moolanaas….in lal masjid………….if u know ABC of islam then u must have read islam is not a religion of enforcement…neighther the islam was preached by enforcement…..people adopted islam by ur character….see the difference in what they say and what they act…..these bloody molanas have nothing to do with the islam they just use the veil of islam to do all of their illegal things….and let me tell u mr murtaza…islam is not a religion of revenge and aggressiveness..again i will say if u know the ABC of islam u might have heard the event of Hazrat Ali A.S when he was killing Marhab and Marhab spit on Harzat Ali A.S wht Hazrat Ali A.S did. plz go and know the basics of islam..this is the main problem no body is saying those bloody attackers wrong….. …i wish u and all of us remain safe,, but think if any of ur friend or ur family member is executed in such a suicide attack then who will u blame for this…just think of it……who is responsible…….is mush is guiding those idiots to commit suicide attacks or army is training them…..offcourse from a person like u the expected answer is the agencies are involved in all this…and mush is promoting this for his own sake…FOR GOD SAKE..open ur eyes………

18 03 2008
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@Murtaza or any one else

Want to express your view ? Send me your material, i’ll publish it here…

18 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Meter Down!
Yes my friend I do agree with you, and what ever you said, opinion should have respect. I always respect other opinions but I get mad when some one still wants to let the Mush for trial & Error. I think he was the most powerful president ever in the history of Pakistan (Army + establishment).
But we are still there only what we have is few TV Channels plus few cellular networks and nothing else. This was the first Government which remains in power for complete 5 years with very low profile opposition in assembly. They were full in power under his supervision and command.
Definitely they era should be better in each respect from the former Governments, which never ruled for five years.
But what we have at the end of their period , Anger , High Prices , Unemployment , frustration , tension , instability and even hit the religion worse…………. By just calling their own people terrorist with out any evidence.
We lost the image as Muslim country in the world, rather we create more problems for the Muslims around the world.
Now the world believes that “Every Muslim is not terrorist but each Terrorist is a Muslim”. We gave a new dimension to Muslims community in the world by using the terms like Islamic militants. Our president always use the terms Mullah + Militants+ Terrorists with out considering the Muslims community around the world. Do you know the effect of this around the whole world.
Muslims are monitored and navigated and sometimes absoused as well just because they are Muslims.
He failed being a Pakistani and being a Muslim. Islam is the religion of tolerance, peace, respect, honor , dignity , compromise , forgiveness……………. But the aimless war against the terror messed up all concepts of Islam.
GUNS+BOMBS ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT A SOLUTIONS OF ANY PROBLEM IN THE WORLD. HE ALWAYS PREFER GUNS THAN DIALOGE. He used heavy guns in lal Masjid and Waziristan against his own people
In the front of whole world, just to show that he is America good allay against terrorist.
Just answer me , who the lal masjid people get heavy weapons in federal territory and in that much quantity. Definitely there was someone in establishment who was their supporter and they get weapons through him or her. Or there was no control of Government even in Islamabad.
I know you can’t say that there was no control of government, so where are the actual faces behind the Lal masjid in Government.
THIS GOVERNMENT DID A LOT OF MISTAKES WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR NEXT DECADE. IF THE NEW GOVERNMENT FAILED TO ESTABLISH PEACE (pausing the us intentions) THAN I AM AFARID PAKISTAN WILL BECOME SO WEAK AND SO MEASERABLE LIKE IT WAS IN 1971 AND WE WILL LOST SOME OF OUR PARTS AS IT IS MENTIONED BY US THINK TANK THAT SOME GEOGRAPHICAL CHANGES WILL HAPPEN IN THE MAPE OF PAKISTAN TILL 2015.

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Wajahat
to be very honest i know xyz of my religion as well . Being my friend and course mate you have a better idea about me.
let me explain again in very explicit way which i stated early

1. i did’t discussed the religion
2. i did’t supported the suicide booming

What i discussed was just the huge mistakes which Mush made being a president and army chief (2 in one). I tried just to point that we should reform our foreign policy. Why we have that much interest in war against terror, for which we are killing our own innocent people, citizens of Pakistan.
My point was that instead of suppressing Mullas (so called Islamic extremist) jihad , Taliban ,musharaf increased it because he used GUNS not Dialoge. Now we have mullas , jihadi in every street.More aggression against US.
If you are Muslim than you will aware about the DEF of islam .In Quran there is a clear statement that
“Yahood and Nasara can’t be your faithful friends always”. Than why we are trying to please them.
Ok lets put the religion on back side for a while, being only a Pakistani what we are getting for this US support ?
Nothing just anger, aggression, riots and so on. Than why our government is still supporting and Musharaf is so confident. He increased this stress rather decreasing.
None of the child in Pakistan was aware of suicide bombing but now every kid knows that.
Do you think that we doing well of the sack and future of our kids? Or we are pushing them to be a permanent slave of US or other powers.
YOUR OWN PEOPLE THE CITIZEN OF PAKISTAN SHOULD BE YOUR FIRST PRIORITY NOT THE INTREST OF OTHERS OR YOUR PERSONAL INTREST.
YES I ADMIT THAT MUSH DID SOME GOOD THINGS AS WELL BUT WHEN STARTED THE FIGHT FOR HIS PERSONAL INTREST TO BE IN POWER ALWAYS…… THAN RUBBISH………………… STUPID THINGS ….
Now should have a clear idea about him and his intentions. I do not want my country to be like Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and Kenya. I want my country like US, like here UK ……….. Where you have real democracy and justice. Where even president can also be challenged in court and he is supposed to visit the court. Every one has the right to speak, what ever he wants………….. no corruption no monophony …. Every one performing well in his institution.
But what we have on the other side Musharaf even never visit the national assembly for speech. He can’t visit public because of security.
I don’t want such a president which’s security and protocol increases the burden of tax on public.
REMEMBER MY WORDS THERE WILL BE NO PEACE UNTIL YOU HAVE JUSTICE.
Now about your second point yes I have sympathy in my heart for them as well. They are also Pakistani And should have more respect in society being law enforcement agencies etc. but Mush policies created a clash between army and police etc and people.
But can you answer me why A (army+ intelligences Agencies + police + NATO + US) attack on B (WAZIRISTAN+BAJAWAR+MIR ALI etc) ?
Now a bit more about funding , yes I have no doubt about that , look Attorney general + shariffudin Pirzada etc they are getting very good money for their support and defending Mush . They both are doing well and they are their to keep him a legal president by making any possible amendment to constitution. They both know that we are not doing something good and public hate us, but are happy for getting a huge money.

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@Inam Gull
I am not frustrated rather by grace of GOD I am in a very cool and peaceful place of very developed country.
It is so simple you are trying 2+2=6 , and thousands of people (more than 67 % Pakistani) believe that 2+2=4 but few people like you and other I discussed think that 2+2=6 .
Every one will have doubt about, that why this small group has different opinion for very simple question. They might be interested to look different for fame or might be working for some one.
Now every one failed defending him like Sheikh rasheed , Dr. Naizi all chud. Brothers , durani and so on. Which have more experience in making the public fool than you. Sheikh sahib said himself that we did wrong decisions, so we get low fame and more hate in current elections. so no one is on media and they are blaming Mush.
The Brother of shujahat PLM(Q)) said last time that Shoukat Aziz did a lot of corruption and now he is enjoying life in London ,he should be charged as well. This is not my views rather this is Mush own people.
Our country is in the worst state, look we have a currency note of 5000 PKR , do you know what it means in term of finance. In order to hide the actual value of currency. The highest note available in UK is just 50 Pounds which is quite rare and you will never see in market or even in the pocket of any body.
We have a note of 5000 which you can find in the pocket of every 5th or 6th person. This is the value of our currency.
Do you know any statistic about the LOAN we have taken in the last decade and the interest on this LOAN?
Do you know much foreign aid we get during 8 October earth quick, and where it is?
Do you know how much institutions are privatized just to get Money for National saving?
Do you know why CJ was removed?
Do you know how mush is involved in Benazir assassination?
Do you know what sort of image we have in world ?
Be realistic and democratic as well.
“Democracy gives me right to speak and think whatever i feel is right. Before demanding democracy you have to understand what actualy democracy is.”
Honestly tell me what is the definition of democracy in you mind. I have the definition of Abraham Linchon in my mind according to which we have no democracy in Pakistan.
You have no basic rights in Pakistan; law is only for poor and weak people not for officials and high profile people.
Do you now that we have PIMERA for freedom of speech on media.(geo was blocked and attacked as well).
Do you know that your CJ is isolated in a house? Democracy hi yah

Even you are not following your own definition of democracy …. Because you modified my comments
It was my belief and language for him … than why you modified it. I spent about 2 hr each day just to know what is going on in my country and I am using every possible source BBC < CNN < FOX <SKY <ALJAZIRA < GEO and all international news papers. Spent some time and make some research and read
The different people comments and views. Than you may have better understanding of democracy and you may get border vision for Pakistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4797762.stm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2006/09/in_the_line_of_fire_pervez_musharraf.html

Pakistan Zandabad

19 03 2008
Inam Gull

Mr. Murtaza i didn’t get your 2+2=6,7,8,9,10 logic.May be I am weak at maths.If you are still doubting that i work for someone then i would say “GET A LIFE”.
When did i say Shaukat aziz wasn’t corrupt?when did i say pakistan’s loan has reduced?
About privitization of institutes?Mr murtaza you talked about economics ..you should know privitization is best way to reduce debut and whats wrong in privitization of institutes haan?I dont see any harm in it.If i be a president i would have privitized all of the institutes a part from some.
Do you know why CJ was removed?
Yes i know.
Do you know how mush is involved in Benazir assassination?
loooooooooolz that a funny statement if u have some proofs please come up with them and file a petition in SC.Please.
Do you know what sort of image we have in world ?
I know and it is because of Pakistanis themselves.They deserve it because of their low moral and ethical values.
When did i say there is democracy in Pakistan?Did i claim that?Go and read my post again i said true democracy can’t be implemented in Pakistan due to various reasons(Detailed topic).
Do you now that we have PIMERA for freedom of speech on media.(geo was blocked and attacked as well).
Ist of all its PEMRA not PIMERA.Yeah i know that what it is and i am strong supporter of that.An imamture media shouldn’t be that much free.Look at Geo showing dead bodies of blast victims.Somebody tell them is that ethical?
About your woppping speech on democracy.Mr murtaza tell me one single time i said Pakistan is a democratic state.
and to be very very honest you didn’t understand the soul of article,i recommend you to read it again and then comment.

19 03 2008
Inam Gull

“Yahood and Nasara can’t be your faithful friends always”
can you please tell me if the context in which you interpreted that ayat is true then why marrying a non-muslim ahli-kitab is allowed.
Does any marraige is complete without friendship and love? NO.
just imagine i marry a non-muslim Ahla-e-kitab girl and she is my enemy, we hate each other because Mullah flah interpreted an Ayat like this.Thats turly pathetic.

19 03 2008
wajahat

@ murtaza
so u r murtaza…i didnt know its u dude. any how i also dont want to discuss religion………..but they way you people talked it looks u r supporting suicide bombing…or if u dont support them u also not condem them…none of u have ever showed ur aggressiveness against these suicide attackers……

According to you “What i discussed was just the huge mistakes which Mush made being a president and army chief (2 in one).”
If we are here to discuss the mistakes of past by our leaders then y u people always blame only army personals…was nawas didnt made any mistake,, or zardari didnt make any mistake? were they angels? according to you they are still angels thats y u and people like u have voted for them…….u poeple talk about the reform of ur foreign policy….u must understand that war against terror is in our interest not in america’s….i admit in this we also have to sacrifice some of our innocent people which can be any of us..like me..or u…….but at the end of the day we will have a mulla and taliban free pakistan..which i want….and i think which every pakistani want a peaceful pakistan…offcourse i m not denying the quranic statement
“Yahood and Nasara can’t be your faithful friends always”.
we also dont want americas interaction in our own concerns but the war against terror is our own concern not america’s..
look the stress is increased by the un educated people and immature media…the media u see in pakistan is the work of mush…have u ever seen such a media in the history of pakistan…? nawaz cant bear only jang news paper in his period…if u remember……any how…
according to u
“None of the child in Pakistan was aware of suicide bombing but now every kid knows that.”
so have u told ur children that the suicide bomber will go to hell…have u?? ever?? absolutely not…when ever u listened abt a bomb blast u just start calling names to mush…what ll ur child learn from u??how to call names to elders…this is wht u r preaching… have u ever told ur kids that sucide attackers are bad v bad…have u ever seen a single program on ur media opposing suicide attackers??the ans is NO…because the media is so immature…..
if u tech ur kids wht is right and wht is wrong i think u r doing good for ur kids…kids dont read the news paper…kids dont understand the political discussions on media chennals..kids dont surf the internet….wht and from where kids learn and react depends upon u…how u react against these things..u should behave like a civilized nation..so that ur kids also do….if u dont then u cant blame others for poor future of ur kids……and including u murtaza…every one here want to oppose US and their policies and this and that and including u and these mullas every one wants a US VISA……u also applied first for that..and unfortunately u didnt got it…
this is wht i say plz make some synchronization in what u say and wht u act…….
now similarly like u and every pakistani including me do not want my country to be like Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and Kenya. I want my country like US, like here UK ……….. Where you have real democracy and justice. Where even president can also be challenged in court and he is supposed to visit the court. Every one has the right to speak, what ever he wants………….. no corruption no monophony …. Every one performing well in his institution.
but let me tell u murtaza do u think we and US and UK have a common platform on which such things can be built….offcourse we all want so…but it will take time……may be by the end of our lives……or may be more……it cant be done in the time of days and nights………
u said
“But can you answer me why A (army+ intelligences Agencies + police + NATO + US) attack on B (WAZIRISTAN+BAJAWAR+MIR ALI etc) ?”
offcourse these areas are creating problems for the whole nation..the whole country……..for u for me and for everyone around..these areas must be cleaned of culprits and mullas and talibans…….for which some of the innocent people can also suffer and sacrifice…….
u talked abt the funding may b u r getting funding to support nawaz takloo or currupt zardari…..also u r living in UK u r more near to officials………of currupt leaders…….finally I , u and every one here wants a progressive and prosparas pakistan……

19 03 2008
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@Murtaza

Good going😛

Please Mr.Murtaza, don’t take me wrong for what I’ll write … Just want some answers and opinions on whats happening …
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” I tried just to point that we should reform our foreign policy “..
When was our foreign policy so strong that we shook the world… Please give me any reference of a remarkable thing our foreign policy we ever did… We never were able to convince the world on any thing…

“Why we have that much interest in war against terror,”
What you think was the solution when US asked for supprot ..

“Now we have mullas , jihadi in every street.More aggression against US.”
Weren’t these Mullahs there before Musharraf, and weren’t they strong. Please read the post again. Was it all because of Lal Masjid event. How did they pop-up all of a sudden.?

“I am not frustrated rather by grace of GOD I am in a very cool and peaceful place of very developed country.”
Your comments does not show that at least (Please don’t take it offensive) … Yeah you are living in a developed peaceful country, and i know you research alot, through what , Geo, BBC and CNN. I must doubt your research then.

“and thousands of people (more than 67 % Pakistani) believe that 2+2=4 but few people like you and other I discussed think that 2+2=6 .”
Please read this post then comment.
https://alihammadbaig.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/an-inconvenient-truth/

Now you may not say “Few people” ..

“Every one will have doubt about, that why this small group has different opinion for very simple question.”
HAHAH.. Bhai believe me I am not paid for this. I wish cuz I have only 20Rs left in my pocket and still there are 11 days to April…..lolz..
And my brother, my brother, please cool down. Why is it so difficult for you to accept a different opinion. If you disagree, I don’t mind cuz i don’t have the ultimate solution for anything as well.

“Sheikh sahib said himself that we did wrong decisions”
First time in Paki history someone has accepted the election results and accepted their mistakes. If you please find any example in the past, please let me know.

“The Brother of shujahat PLM(Q)) said last time that Shoukat Aziz did a lot of corruption and now he is enjoying life in London ,he should be charged as well.”
If he did that, he should be punished, rather hanged. I totally agree with you.

“Our country is in the worst state”
Yes I agree. The discussion was about “Andhoon main kana raja”..

“Do you know much foreign aid we get during 8 October earth quick, and where it is?”
Alot has been done, alot still need to be done. But what about “Qarz utaro Mulk sawaroo ??”

“Do you know why CJ was removed?”
If you know, Please tell us…

“Do you know how mush is involved in Benazir assassination?”
If you know, we are curious to hear from you. What about Zardari as he gets the most benefit out of it …

“Do you know what sort of image we have in world ?”
We never had a good image ever, thanks to the strong foreign policy of all our governments…

“I have the definition of Abraham Linchon in my mind according to which we have no democracy in Pakistan.”
Hypocrisy I would say… On one occassion you are against US and on the other you believe in them…
Please tell me, when did muslims had democracy in the past . And I may say if you want democracy, then follow islam not Linchon …

“law is only for poor and weak people not for officials and high profile people.”
Was this any better before Musharraf. I still remember my grandfather praying for me, Beta Allah tumhain hospital or thanay kacharee sa bachiee …. what i conceive from this is that true law was never their at-least from last 100 years may be…

“Do you now that we have PIMERA for freedom of speech on media??”
God you must not say that atleast.. One TV channel before mush and now about 70 tv and more than 200 radio channels.. every day a new tv channels pop up. when you will come to pakistan .. ask you cable operator to open all tv channels. i hope you will count the numebr… When was there any freedom of speech before musharraf.
I can bet that CNN and BBC are not so free as Pakistani channels are.. why can’t bbc say anything about their queen, where is the freedom of speech gone then… Do you know what Nawaz shareef did to najam sethi…If you know that .. then you may never say that.. and please read this post and I think mush was never so cheap..
https://alihammadbaig.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/21/

“Do you know that your CJ is isolated in a house? Democracy hi yah”
Nawaz shareef raided Supreme court along with thousands of his supporters and judges had to run and hide to save their lives. I think you memory is not that short ….

“Because you modified my comments”
Comon Murtaza .. Do you think what you wrote was worth publishing.. Swearing someone..sorry that can not be published and believe me i did not modified anything else..

“about 2 hr each day just to know what is going on in my country and I am using every possible source BBC < CNN < FOX <SKY <ALJAZIRA < GEO and all international news papers. Spent some time and make some research and read”
Thanks for your suggestions… You read the e-copies, we read the hard ones, and we experience all.. you don’t.. so we have a better experience … and I have 2 people, one injured one martyred in my family due to suicide attacks.. I think i know better sitting here in my own county not in a developed country about the situation ….

“I do not want my country to be like Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and Kenya.”
Come to Pakistan. Change something, make it better with your efforts.. I will be the first person who will support you.

“He can’t visit public because of security.”
Musharraf is not the only one. many leader in the world face same problems…

“Now a bit more about funding , yes I have no doubt about that , look Attorney general + shariffudin Pirzada etc”
They are hired employees of Islamic republic of Pakistan. Every gov had an attorney general .. this did not happen for the first time .. Every opposition has hundreds of legal experts to suggest them legally .. Nothing is unfair
Pakistan Zindabad

19 03 2008
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@Murtaza
“GUNS+BOMBS ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT A SOLUTIONS OF ANY PROBLEM IN
THE WORLD. HE ALWAYS PREFER GUNS THAN DIALOGE.”
Totally agree

““Yahood and Nasara can’t be your faithful friends always”.”
Where you live. I think you may have many Yahood and Nasara as your friends. And if you don’t have any, then why are you living among them in their country…?

“IF THE NEW GOVERNMENT FAILED TO ESTABLISH PEACE (pausing the us intentions) THAN I AM AFARID PAKISTAN WILL BECOME SO WEAK AND SO MEASERABLE LIKE IT WAS IN 1971 AND WE WILL LOST SOME OF OUR PARTS AS IT IS MENTIONED BY US THINK TANK THAT SOME GEOGRAPHICAL CHANGES WILL HAPPEN IN THE MAPE OF PAKISTAN TILL 2015.”

You think our new governments can work without support of US ? I pray…

19 03 2008
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Please keep in mind that Musharraf is not my ultimate Love :p..

And keep the post in mind.. I never tried to prove that Musharraf and nothing but Musharraf. what i wanted was to know you opinions .. thats all

Please keep this in min “MUSH IS NOT MY LOVE”

19 03 2008
Murtaza

To all above!
You guys are just rushing on me ,may be jut because ,you think that I am from any political party. My friends let me clear it .
NEITHER I BELONG TO ANY PARTY, NOR I AM SUPPORTING ANY PARTY. I AM SIMPLY A PAKISTANI
AND JUST FOR PEACE OF MIND I WRITE MY FEELINGS. TO BE VERY HONEST AND TRUE I DO NOT LIKE
NAWAZ SHARIF AND ZARDARI AS WELL. BUT BAD IS BETTER THAN WORSE I THINK SO. AND ALSO THEY NEVER GET A CHANCE TO WORK FULLY FOR 5 YEARS WITH FULL SUPPORT OF ESTABLISHMENT AND ARMY LIKE THE LAST GOVERNMENT DID.
But the miserable thing in our history was that ARROW (PPP) always tried to stub the LION (PML(N)) and the LION always roaring on Arrow and they never tried to protect and develop the PAKISTAN with their team work being Arrow and LION. Because of their fights and abuse for each other we get non democratic trends and traditions.
For which we are still suffering and i do not know about the end. Look India for a while, democratic, So strong parliament etc and we have RUBBER STAMP Assembly every time, which can’t do any thing, just fallow instruction.

Now in new parliament we have LION+ ARROW+LAMP (ANP)…. Great tools of hunter, so US has good options either to stub the Arrow in LION in Light of LAMP or to left the LION FREE to Broke the ARROW in LIGHT of LAMP. Although it looks very sound that they are unite for a while, if they stayed unite than we will be really fortunate and may be get prosperous Pakistan.
And one more thing, I am here to get good education, because I believe that neither ALL The MULLAH are performing well in MOSQUE nor TEACHERS are performing well in their institutions (Schools + Colleges + Universities) , so I want to be a teacher to enrich the young generation with good education and broader vision.
It is better to fight through your knowledge and understanding of world than with your GUN

i admit their contribution to the nest of knowledge by my heart. You have almost all NOBEL PRIZE winner there.
BUT I DO”T LIKE THEIR GOVERNMENT , THE WAY THEY ARE TREATING THE WHOLE WORLD EPICALLY THE MUSLIM WORLD.That is how i didn’t applied for.

i am extremely disappointed with your views about me. i am not diplomatic ,what i have in my mind & heart is directly in words and actions, full duplex and synchorised.

i love my country

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Wajahat

Oh My GOD being my fellow and friend you still has wrong information.
Yes i was ready for US and spent about one year and make a huge research on US and resign from my job as well just to go abroad for higher study am still a member of USEF.
But do you know, i had not applied for US Visa in my past, although the best education in the world is there. The best of every thing is there

i admit their contribution to the nest of knowledge by my heart. You have almost all NOBEL PRIZE winner there.
BUT I DO”T LIKE THEIR GOVERNMENT , THE WAY THEY ARE TREATING THE WHOLE WORLD EPICALLY THE MUSLIM WORLD.That is how i didn’t applied for.
i am extremely disappointed with your views about me. i am not diplomatic ,what i have in my mind & heart is directly in words and actions, full duplex and synchorised.
i love my country

19 03 2008
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@Murtaza

I have an offer..

Send me articles .. write whatever you want .. against mush or any one else.. an if you don’t abuse them :P… ill publish it here..

19 03 2008
Inam Gull

Murtaza why don’t u comment on article and idea presenting in this article but NO you wasted your and ours time just cursing Mushy [:p]

19 03 2008
Imran Khan

All these so called JIHADIES are product of the military establishment, who itself is rotten and corrupt. NO one is with the violence NOT a civilian created these factions.

Our very own capable G.H.Q, in the name of national interest create, disband, join and manipulated these jihadis (arabs, and all other nationalities) to create havoc from afghanistan to kashmir and rule this country and eat out large chunk of budget while occupying every field of work, from interior ministry to the squash courts.

Even now they are harbouring people are maulana fazl-e-Rehman (not MMA one but of some Jaish or lashkar) and produce him on demand to settle matters like lal masjid.

19 03 2008
Murtaza

inam Gull i will disappoint you , you want me to post every single hour.
oh my God i can’t . But i will try to answer all the questions (very Good A++) asked by meter down bahi.
but the list is too long . i will try my best to do some justice with them.
i will start with taliban birth

19 03 2008
Murtaza
19 03 2008
Inam Gull

Thanks murtaza [:p] what else can i accept from you [:p]

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Meter Down
i will start with “BIRTH OF TALIBAN”
WATCH THIS VIDEO FIRST
Imran Khan(PTA Charmian ) very very clearly explained it
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2VCBotMkL_A&eurl=http://www.orkut.com/FavoriteVideos.aspx?uid=1722286386715145772&na=2&nst=234
then read this artical
http://www.ciaonet.org/olj/sa/sa_dec01sre01.html

Do you have any ideas who are the so called foreigners in Waziristan?
Let me tell you my friend these are peoples which came from GULF + Chagnia etc for jihad in Afghanistan during 1985 when zia was a ruler. They were trained by PAK army and were given the right to make homes in the upper hilly areas of Waziristan. Fight against Russia was fully funded and supported by US. Even osama was also there and the tora bora tunnels and banker were built by bin laden company with help of US jets. Heavy Machinery was transported there by US. Mulla omer was also there and he was considered the great fighter and so.
Now they consider Pakistan as there own country, they have wife’s, children, lands there and also they have heavy distractive weapons with them, given by US or Pak Army or collected from Russian. Now you have even a big Gun Market in MIR ALI . I was there in 1997 just to visit the see and feel these peoples which have their own laws ……. So free etc. I can’t forget the few hours I spent there.
Non of our earlier PAKI government invested any Money on development there, no schools, no colleges, no hospitals in FATA …………………………………………
Now why we are blaming these people that they are not civilized and they are threat for peace.
One military dictator establishes and en powers them and the other is now crushing ………. Off course there will be bloodshed

Watch this whole documentary
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K12E9TJV898
next I will discuss how they turns into suicide bombing ?

{and irrelevant with current topic watch this video for foreign Policy}
{http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=twn8zOcYHmg&feature=related}
{ how he clearly mentioned about Kashmir and every thing but was {killed by ZIA}

than if you have some more time watch this one
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L9fW9jPnjgE&feature=related

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Meter Down

please please please
watch at least this video till the end and write down the views of Musharaf about taliabn of those days.

19 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Meter Down
Now just tell me what we get from US for this help??????????????
Taliban were true in their faith and they did real jehad , they fight for their country against Russia , because Russia was trying to capture the area. Taliban were so hard ……….. and they resist well…… Russia escape ……………………?

20 03 2008
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@Murtaza

For your correction; Taliban did not fight the war but it was a it was an allinace of so many parties.. Taliban may be a part of it…

Secondly, Youtube does not work in my office so I need to get them from somewhere else before I could comment on the videos…

20 03 2008
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@Murtaza

It good that you comment on what I wrote in the post… because that way we will reach no where

I want you opinion on this …

“Now will somebody tell me that how in a few days after Lal Masjid event the bomber were ready to be transported to the cities to kill people… ??? In a few days hundreds of suicide bomber were prepared?? If this was the reaction than this should happen after sometime because they would have needed some time to prepare and brainwash children and learn to make bombs.. but this all started as soon as Lal Masjid and other events occur.”

20 03 2008
Murtaza

@Meter Down

no comments until you watch all the videos.” Taliban did not fight the war but it was a it was an allinace of so many parties”
yes Alience of many parties but all were called taliban
please watch all videos …………… than you will get the exact concept of taliban and the role of our government ?

20 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Meter Down
i have started from A and will continue it till Z. Lal Masjid is like Z.
you should know A>B<C<D………………… X<Y
than you may be able to Understand Z.

Please focus on 32 above.
We did heavy mistakes in past . we breed the seeds of taliban ………….
…………. and we have to suffer as well ………………

20 03 2008
Murtaza

@ All Above
Common Guys ………… i will be quite busy after this Friday.
be Quick ……………… else you will blame me that i run away…?
i will be quite busy in the coming weeks and more precisely after this Friday, so i want to finish it quickly

21 03 2008
Imran Khan

Hey guys,

read about the glorious army of ours,

http://www.chowrangi.com/illustrious-career-of-general-retd-syed-mohammad-amjad.html

jeeta jagtaa saboot hai, military corruption ka,

if nawaz and zardari are bad, our ARMY is WORST!

21 03 2008
Murtaza

@ Imran

Yes i do Strongly agree with you that our Army is corrupt . unfortunately all of our intelligence agencies as well do the same. They never focus on national interest rather they serve any current government or from where the get direction………. for which even they make target killing and much more………
who to step down any ruling party

But in era of MUSH ……….. all previous records are Broken ……….. MI ,IB , FIA etc were considered beyond the LAW , They Violate the LAWS every where from CJ to geo Attack ………….. we have more than 500 missing people , even they are not in Guntanoby ………… so where they are…………. ? at least they Pakistani citizen not ISRILI

The worst part is the our intelligence Agencies fully support ,Assist and serve US once again in the MUSH Government.

Their mistakes burn the Fire in WAZIRISTAN , and now we have 2nd and 3rd generation of Taliban which are not only dangerious for the peaceful message of islam but for the degnity of country as well.

They killed Nake Muhammad through US …………………. ? and alot ………….?

Now our Government is So measurable by dent of their services to US , That US & NATO forces is no more asking for assistance in our region , they come and blast PAKI citizen when ever they want .And they admit themselves as well that one militant but 10 other innocent people were killed in attack.

My friend Inam GULL has re command me to come and file the petition in court against Musharf ………. but he is so innocent that he even doesn’t know about the country LAW , in Which you can not declare the president as a Party in court. and suppose there is something through which i can fire …………. but what about the judges we have
there ………… i am not trusting them ……. they are illegal.

and even you can’t think about any legal action against these Agencies , several people are fighting the legal battle ………… but no fruits what they are getting more trouble and pain.They are violating the humans rights every where.

see this video
1.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=l8OoSciDMRI
2.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvbqjx-LC4Q
3.http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0TgFCXH68bw&feature=related
in 3 , see how WASI ZAFER deny about . i have very very hard words for our law minster …… just listen his explanation

My Friend Meter Down ( You mentioned earlier that you know the defination of abrahm Linkan of Democracy )open your eyes ……. There is and there was no Democracy in Pakistan since 1999.
you should watch all these videos , which are not geo production , which you think is not mature channel

i am Blaming all the political parties for this , indeed they never actually worked for PAKISTAN rather they work for their own interest.

Now we will have new jokes like if you want to become a president of pakistan than work hard and join PMA than in future you may get a chance in less time than to establish a Political party ……… and so on

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

22 03 2008
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oh bahi .. Army is corrupt .. no doubt..
but not more than our politicians and judges..

Ill give you reference when ill be free and my laptop gets fixed…

@Imran…
WOW what a new story.. boy you quote this.. i can give you a thousand references of corruption charges against politicians.. and by the way i don’t see any references of whatever is written in the article you mentioned.. will Mr.Kashif or you be so kind to provide me with references …

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